a pleasure to have you with us here today. and welcome back to conversations with great minds i'm speaking with dr result internationally acclaimed writer scholar and author of the new book zealot the life and times of jesus of nazareth just a to follow on that question i asked about jesus not so much as spiritual figure although that was the subtext to everything of that day but as revolutionary. or social activist. your thoughts. well i first of all you're absolutely right about one part of this which is that in jesus' time there is no difference between religion and politics i think a lot of people have said that this book about jesus is about jesus in a political world but for anyone who heard jesus speak i mean they would not have differentiated any of his words or his actions as being either you know social or political or or religious or political they were all considered one and the same thing but your larger point you're absolutely right i mean what i am claiming in this book is frankly in so far as biblical studies g